Dance and Strong, Thanks again. Reading and thinking has made me realize that I truly do need to focus on me here. No, not on the washing dishes and other stuff to try and manipulate my wife, and not even the stuff on an entitelment basis that has helped make me feel spineless. I need to work on regaining the spark I have lost over the past four years. I am not happy with who I have become and I need to fix that. If that fixes my wife, great, if it doesn't, then I will have some decisions to make. She may be hopeless sexually, especially if she never admits to having an issue. Once I have gotten myself back up to speed, then I suppose it would be time to talk ultimatums. Now, I don't think I would stick to my guns.