Dodo, Brother.... ya ditton on feeling confident I tried everything. Now, years later, there is much comfort knowing that I did indeed try everything... including the 180 thing.

I gave my ex (STBX at the time) a copy of Dr. Phil's web page where he talks about earning your way out and trying everything and turning every stone. She handed me back a brochure on collaborative divorce and said that she would read my information if I would read hers. It was very hurtful.

But whatever. I wish I could tell more newcomers to circle the wagons early so they arent hurt and disappointed. 180s can happen and DBing works, I just question how often.

I feel absolutely certain there was no changing my ex's mind.

So onward and upward. Life is unfolding amazingly well and can use the marriage saving stuff in a more pre-emptive way in my new sitch.

Thanks for the lively dialogues.

Chaz