LL, would you mind stopping by my thread over on Seperated? I'd really value your opinion, you're not only a lot farther in the DB than I am (hey, you are over here in this forum for a reason! ) but you're honest and blunt too. Besides, Tony's over on my forum and I need some advice other than his "Someday you'll get over it and accept it like I have" stuff. I haven't given up, hope to be over here with you guys someday.