I know it is hard Treese. I see a lot of familiar feelings from you in your threads and you need a place to vent and express what you are feeling. It is devastating. I don't know if it is true that men generally handle this different but I have found that by moving on myself (being done too) that I have more strength, peace and happiness in my life. It also seems to have the opposite effect on my W. The more I pull away, the more normal she seems. Although it is too late for our M, it is goood for the kids and our friendship.