CBK, believe me, it took me a long time to get to this stage. I found this board 4 months into my S and even then, I didn't hear what others were telling me until a couple of weeks ago. I have had some great posters to help me along the way. Something else I would encourage you to do if you haven't already, read up on the success stories on this board, they all have one thing in common, the LBS stopped persuing and got a life without their spouse. Then and only then did their WAS take notice of them again and decide to work on the M. There have been 4 M reconciled on this board this week alone, guess what they all had in common? You got it, they detached so something must be working with detaching as they are having success. Does that mean you or I will have success to save our M, no, but it does raise our chances from what we were doing a few weeks ago.