I think probably both of those definitions would apply. At least the way I have seen the term used! I don't think Shiny will mind though, especially if some good comes out of it!

I see that done sometimes just felt a little guilty about it but so desperate today for input!

I don't know if H will read your whole thread. He got a lot of it sent to him by me today over Instant Messanger!

Again congratulations you seem to be making great progress!

Pam

"We must be willing to let go of the life we had planned
so as to have the life that is waiting for us"