Hi Sam? Sad? Sandra? Oh heck all of you!

From your post Sandra it's clear you really DID make your feelings clear, or at least to a much larger degree than did CJ (and perhaps Sam??).

Sandra, the very MOST I heard from CJ in the years he claims he was miserable was while we were arguing he would get upset and say he didn't appreciate my sarcasm.

I was the one who bought all of the relationship books, who initiated all of the R talks, who mentioned counselling (you should have seen how devastaded he looked...this was shortly pre EA #1).

So in SOME cases it seems our S's attempts to communicate their unhappiness IS less blatant, and I think for some of us (thick headed, no doubt) almost dismissed.

I hear what SAD is saying. I've asked CJ what he had to lose if just before taking the step to move from "chat pals" to EA's, or just before making the EA's PA's he sat me down and said "I am so unhappy in our M, we need to make some REAL changes or it will end."

I asked him, did he really think I could have dismissed THAT!!! Of COURSE not...but he said he was afraid to do that...kept hoping that things would get better?...then had two A's? ...I just don't understand that. Perhaps you can, Sam?

Take good care all. Sounds like you two had a good clarifying conversation the other night. Excellent.

Shiny