Thanks for the reply yoyo. Sure been a confusing weekend. Just read about gottman on someones post so I went to check out the books...makes me so sad cos one of the books is about when baby makes 3. Why did the counsellors we went to discard this fact and say that was not the problem when clearly it was, h freaked out when d was born and bolted, and felt left out. Just depressing how 2 c's could stuff up when it came to talking about d being born and how things changed - we never spoke about this in c.