SG, Do you feel that anyone here has been jumping the gun to give pro-divorce advice? I would have to say that all of us found this site because we are pro-marriage, but at our wit's end and need a place of support and guidance. Often, we are the hold outs for our marriage, against the advice of caring family and friends. We understand this perspective, and hang here together, looking for hope.

There does come a point where you begin to see that the person standing is starting to break down from the repeated cycles of abuse. I would think it callous if we did not try to help someone to survive by suggesting he/she lets go and moves on, under these conditions.

SG, Please have more faith in us. We are rooting for each other's marriages, is that not obvious?