I'll look it up, OT. It's difficult to know how to respond when the kids bring up mom's behaviour. I don't want to deny the truth in what they are saying nor do I want to use that truth to to bash their mom. I usually try to go middle of the road and maybe sometimes fail in that regard. I encourage them to bring up these issues with Mom and I tell them that we all have our own blind spots and this is one of Mom's. Thankfully these convos don't come up often. Thanks for your input.