You know we DB's knock ourselves out to keep our marriages intact, but I was talking to my C today. And in her case her H had an affair, they divorced, and he is apparently not that happy and my C is much happier after the divorce. And I wonder if that is true for a lot of us that may wind up divorced; like my H is moving in with a woman that's been married multiple times and has troubled kids, I don't see that R being a long-term happy one for my H. And my H has lots of emotional problems: anger, lying, etc. which I think will cause him problems, and your W also has problems which will cause her problems in her next relationship which DB's of course are careful to figure out and work on right away. I just think even if we do wind up divorced we actually may wind up a lot happier and our spouses may wind up not half as happy as they think they will be. That's kind of what my C was explaining to me today although I am not probably explaining it as well as she did! Karen