Okay, my H hasn't mentioned the holidays together as he knows that would never work! Who does that???? I don't think that would work out for many people!!! I think they just say those things to make themselves feel better, less guilty, like they are doing these things to improve everyone's life or something, when of course they are not!
My H also moved out of our room about 2 months ago into another room. I guess it is part of that distancing they are going through. My kids, 8 and 14, actually took it pretty well and seem fine with it, I was the one that had a tougher time with it, after 22 years of sleeping in the same bed, it was tough for me to get used to and I had a bunch of sleepless nights. I guess you just have to get used to it eventually.
Sorry for you that you are tired and sad about your W. Hopefully she will come to her senses soon!!! Karen
Oh, here in Europe we have more relaxed views on quite a few things, so the divorced parents going with new partners probably isn't that uncommon here.
Yeah, I have trouble sleeping when W isn't in the bed with me, 12 years of habit for me to unlearn. Any trip away from home leaves me with bad sleep, slowly getting better at sleeping alone though. And the kids? Mine are still so young, I can't see them taking it well if it upsets me this much!
Oh, I think my W has come to her senses, acting more rational most of the time now. The selfishness is always there though, and her pushing the divorce agenda as much as possible. She started planning this over a year ago, I just didn't realise until the blow up in August last year. I don't know that I've given up, but I have realised that W just doesn't want to be married to me at all no matter what I try.
Me: 35 W: 34 S8 & S5 M: 11 IDLY: 08/2007
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin, Me and Bobby McGee
"Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it is about dancing in the rain!"
Karen 
