jmw, thanks for your reply, I split with this guy all those years ago as he was very immature at the time although he thought the world of me, it was me that broke it off he seems to have really quietened down and matured, I'm not saying it will go anywhere as I wouldn't want to hurt him again and I definately don't want hurting again, we'll see how it goes I aren't even sure I'm ready to start dating, but a drink and a laugh would be good especially with someone that doesn't know what I have been through the last three years, remind me again has your h stopped contact with son and if so how did he eventually get in contact after how long. thanks