i am not angry i just dont have the patience to pussyfoot around people anymore. my methods may infuriate so many here but i have something to offer Frank. the bottom line is this do you want to save your marriage?or are you done? no and ifs or buts, just answer the question. if you are done then fine, if you still hold out for hope then it is time to put on your big boy panties and step up to the plate. you are far too passive in your approach and this damned deep analysis of every thing you do is going to knock you for a ride to toontown. a woman wants a man. check out all of the chick flicks. officer and a gentleman, kate and leopold, gladiator, and so many others. what do those men offer the women in their lives? they are the protectors, they listen, their lives are all about their women, not their psychobabble issues or their own problems. in this day and age men seem to have become so in touch with their feelings that they have forgotten what women want.