Shades, the one thing you need to realize is, this OW, according to your STBX, is going to "be great" in every way. Why would he say this? Does he really mean this? No matter what this person is in reality, he is going to build it up so much more. Why, you might ask, because he CANNOT BE WRONG!!! NO WAY, NO HOW!! No matter what it costs, to him, you, the kids, the Middle East, it will not matter! He must prove to everyone, but mostly himself, that what he did was right, you were the bad one, you didn't starch the shirts, B.S. B.S. B.S. This is why they have said what they did to your D. He has to justify his actions, again, what they don't realize is, first, no one believes them, and second, no one gives a rat's ass! Sad thing is, these people will live in utter misery, denying they ever did wrong, and putting up with crap to give the illusion that what they did was so right. This stich reminds me so much of a lady that I work with, she left her H, got a D, and met the most awesome guy ever! LOL They reality of the situation is, this guy is a total dweeb, everyone knows it, she and he fight so much that she is on medication for nerves and lack of sleep. She is in utter misery, but continues down this path, because in her words "I hate to admit that I am wrong" I told her she was a complete and total dumbass for living like that just to "prove" she wasn't wrong! She and I are good friends so I lay it on the line! Point is, under all that glitter and gold, I'll bet its so rusty one kick would cave it all in.