You are really continuing to mis-read me. Where did you get the idea that I was sexually abused or molested as a child? All I meant when I said I felt loved when touched was that my primary LL is physical touch, like a great many other people. I actually think one of my areas of growth since my split is that I have been recognizing more consciously the extent to which I appreciate affectionate as well as sexual touch. That is why I now say that what I want is "affectionate manhandling" which encompasses sex but is not limited to sex. I also understand that people who are uncomfortable with affectionate touch view my liking of it as "weak" or "needy" but I don't give a fig. I do also appreciate WOA, AOS, QT and even gifts so it's not like I'm locked up in that quadrant. Sometimes I feel like you are a visitor to this BB from the 1950s who hasn't read anything past Freud with your FOO fixation.
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That guy told you exactly where he stood with women and exactly what he wants. He can make decisions and stand by them or he never would have become successful. My money says that he told you what he needed to say to get you to come see him so he could make his own evaluation, plus have a good time to boot. For whatever reason you did not fit his ideal. So what? Do you really think there is some guy out there who is really going to fall head over heels in love with you and worship the ground you walk on?
I don't know where you got the idea that FSG rejected me. The disagreement we had was because he took me to task for being LD about calling him on the phone. He was feeling rejected and I felt bad about that because I like him and I want to be a nice person. "I" have issues with being a "freak". He doesn't have issues with me being a "freak". He wasn't complimenting me by saying that but he wasn't insulting me either. My problem is that I took it as an insult. The reason he said he was going to keep teasing me about it is that there is nothing wrong with really liking sex. YOU are the one who doesn't respect women who are sexual.
The cynicism I expressed in my "terrible calculation" was based more on the science and theory expressed in dating/mating books written by male relationship experts that I've been reading recently than anything in my own experience (although I have found little contradiction). For instance, it really is a provable fact that men "fall in love" with a "pretty" face. So what? Most men aren't even self-aware about these kinds of things in the same way that most women aren't self-aware about their monkey desire for the wolf. When we were debating the issue previously, you indicated that you would never bring the Julia Roberts character from "Pretty Woman" home to meet your Momma. The reason you are wrong about that is that you are not recognizing that in addition to having a multi-million dollar "pretty' face, Julia played a woman with a very "pretty" manner in that movie. As my Momma sometimes said "Pretty is as pretty does." but if a guy can only equate pretty behavior with the behavior of the bunny who always keeps her knees politely together so that nobody can see her panties, he's not very integrated and he's unlikely to be able to love and desire the same woman.
P.S. I was vibing "angry' about my 2bx because seeing my son the other day and how he has matured made me realize that my 2bx was a very poor male role model and that made me angry about the fact that I stayed with him for the "good" of the children.
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