JMW...my s16 won't budge right now and it is kiling me to watch it all unfold. I feel sorry for H, but this was his doing. I feel sorry for s15 that he has so much anger. I pray each day that something will happen to remove the wall between them.

I agree with you, I don't think my H will be able to reconcile (if he wants) until he and s15 can deal with their issues.

Snodderly.....I pray someone gives in but I don't see it coming. They are both so stubborn. Yesterday H called me. He was dropping d12 at softball and had an hour to kill before counseling,

I told him he can hang at the house and his reply was "not if s15 is there." S15 was at swim practice so H hung out at the house. He even put the dinner I had made on the stove.

He went to counseling and then came back to the house. I picked s15 up at practice. He stayed downstairs while H was there. I left to take d12 to practice and H stayed. He ate the dinner I made and did the dishes. He stayed upstairs and s15 stayed down. He stayed for about 45 minutes until I went to get d12. We just hung out together and watched tv. It was so like pre-mlc...but I know not to expect anything.

Around 9 he sent me a tm thanking me for dinner.

Snodderly, do you think H's counselor is helping him figure out how to handle the s15 situation or is it too early in the process for it?

Zero expectations. Many hopes and wishes. Zero expectations.

Mopsey