saffie, game playing doesn't work with H. I have never done it. I have never once said anything other than "I will not date or be with anyone while I am married to you". He knows Hope and her situation, that she is cute (hi Hope! ;\) ) and single. He drew his own conclusions after that, and never once talked about them with me. He didn't even ask me if I was going to see her last Saturday night (she wasn't even in town)....

SallyM, I wish I knew how to make him go. Olive knows how it is. He will not leave. Maybe if his anger calms down.......but right now he won't leave. Mark *might* be right, that maybe he needs to be around me to see what he might be missing. H claims he has stayed with the hopes of 1) reconciling at times and 2) remaining close and intact as just friends for the girls.

Ok, I have to get ready for my date with Hope. \:\) \:\) \:\) See everyone later.