Journey, you are so much more civilized than I am. That's why I love ya!
Corri, you make a good point. Maybe karen is being too reasonable, understanding, and civilized. Maybe some anarchy and revolution is in order. Set fire to the barricades... march in the streets... get out the score to Les Miz! (I'm seriously agreeing with you, corri.)
karen, I gotta say it bothered me when you used the word "hokiness" from the beginning. It's a word that devalues and discounts. It puts you "above" the millions of people who, from the days of Norman Vincent Peale, Dale Carnegie, and Zig Ziglar, have found "positive thinking" to be of value. To go into this with this attitude is like saying, "This is a dumb, stupid home remedy used by the unwashed masses to delude themselves, but I've run out of options, so I might as well lower myself to their level and give it a try. Where do I buy the holy water and the magic beads?" Do you see what I mean?
I feel for you... I really do. But can you try this new way of thinking with more wholeheartedness and less cynicism?
There was someone here a while back whom I encouraged to have a screaming hissy fit on the board, to flush out some of the jumbled emotions. I can't remember who it was. :eyeroll: But maybe it would help you to locate some anger and really let it out in a journal or while you're in the car or something.
You're very quick to understand, make excuses, and pack yourself back in the box... who's sticking up for YOU YOU YOU and your pov. Just an idea.
There would be absolutely NO point in going two weeks without talking about our R problems. However, if we had a thread where R talk was forbidden, I'm sure it would go on and on for a long time. Heck I could talk about my pets indefinitely (and about the Prof-- he doesn't count because he's not an R... yet. )