Thank you all for posting, it is really appreciated, especialy when I have these down days.

Snodderly, your recollection is spot on, wife did push my daughter away, then tried to reel her in. She did it again at christmas, and in the end, could not see her as she was too busy partying.

As for my son, I also think it is a bit of both, and also I think he feels he has to side or support her. He did not contact his uncle at christmas, my brother who took him on a caribean cruise, or his grandparents (my mother and father) who have shown him nothing but love over the past few years.

At the moment they are behaving just as bad as each other, and the way I feel, they can wallow in it. God it still hursts after all this time.