Well, at the risk of sounding like Jerry Seinfeld, it all depends on what you mean by success. Even though my R has morphed out of the romantic zone, I've learned and grown so much from it and from discussing it on this BB. If I turn the clock back to Sept 2004 when I came on board (hehehe) here, and then slow-foward to today WITHOUT the insights I've gained here, the books I've read because of the BB, the head-clearing I've been able to do here, the feedback... I don't know where I would be.

Yeah, the overt purpose of our being here is to "fix" the R's we're in so that we're having regular sex. But there's a lot more to it than that...

Look at how much hairdog has grown and changed, and Journey, choc, Mojo... corri has been though some stuff, the IC's have been through a ton, karen has had another baby, Fran's H has stopped drinking, fearless has gotten married... we can't measure "success" by the # of times per week people are getting it vs. a year ago, ya know? (I know that's not what you meant.)

Look at the trip Journey took to Israel and put out petitions in the Wailing Wall. Has that ever happened on a non-Chasidis BB before? \:\)

You're right that this is an extraordinary community of thoughtful, caring, witty, intelligent, insightful people. So yeah, there are many different kinds of success, some where the R improves, some where it dissolves, and some where the external R looks the same (for now), but where deep changes are going on inside the person.

Does this make sense?