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The strange thing is that in my experience, when we were together as a family, it was great, but htis never changed my W.'s mind one bit. That was always part of my frustration...why couldn't she just see how great this is!

There are on a different channel, so don't expect them to feel anything that you are. OK, you said what you needed to, but then you saw the eraction from W. Do you think she has any doubt how you feel? Absolutely not! If you keep bringing up R. talk, you validate that what she feels is not right, and that usually pushes them away, which you know anyway. Give her a nice time, say goodnight and walk away into the dark!