I agree with you Limbo. If we had not gone to Retrouvaille and learned to communicate correctly, we would not be married and happy together now. There was no way that we would have figured it out ourselves. We had been together almost 30 years and we never figured out how to ask questions and listen to the answers without framing a comeback in our heads as the other person spoke. Our marriage was a tug of war, not a partnership. Now we understand that we are working together for a common goal. In retrospect I can't believe how little time it took to go to Retrouvaille and learn how to get along, compared to wasting all those years unhappy together.