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Thanks for keeping up with the saga Lan and for your nudges in the right direction. Of course I'm not assuming anything, jumping to any conclusions or celebrating anything significant yet. The whole thing could blow up in my face tomorrow like a bad Chemistry Lab experiment and even in the best case there's still a looong way to go! All I can say is I'm on board now with this DB science for whatever its worth. I'm a terribly persistent guy - a trait that comes in useful - but it could rub W the wrong way too.