Such a lot of good stuff in this thread. My H has always displayed these weak puppy/crossover into mean wolf behaviours. I am hoping to see a little less of it from now on. And I'm certainly not planning to respond in a cow like manner any more. Mo, you certainly have coined some new terminology, it's already crossed the atlantic via me and now via your friends, so just listen up for it in Oprah. And you and Corri should PUBLISH that book before someone else does.

Corri, I loved your story about your boys and watching them grow into men who can take the hard knocks. My S8 decided the other day to take the dog for a walk. We live in an urban area and he hasn't really been out on his own before, except one time when he managed to get on the bus ahead of the au pair and the driver shut the door, so he took himself to school. Anyhow he was cross with me about something and said he was going out. I didn't expect him to be out more than 5 minutes and wasn't going to argue the point with him. Anyhow I got involved in what I was doing with D6 and totally forgot that he'd gone out and thought he was upstairs playing on the puter. Half an hour or so later came a big knock on the door. It was S. He'd taken himself and the dog on a big walk around the neighbourhood, crossed several roads and was considering hopping on a bus to take the dog to the park. He'd had a bit of Christmas money in his pocket and treated himself to a bag of sweets. And he looked and felt about 10 feet tall. I was amazed and proud and totally didn't tell him off about it.

For the rest of the day he was a total sweet heart and was even nice to his sister - LOL!

Fran


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Erica Jong