Hi monkey bug - its me ellis again - I wanted to add if you do decide you want to try to save your M - dont do what I did - dont cotninue to question him and ask questions about ow - like I said I did everything wrong - I look back now and I think there might have been a chance before he moved out or when we still communicated about our R that if I had done some divorce busting techiniques - after he dropped bomb in Aug I begged and pleaded and raged at him every day. I only pushed him further away and settled in his mind our M would not work. I look back now and think if I had stayed calm, stopped begging and raging, acted like I had accepted his decision there might have been a chance. Because you want him to stop and take a look at you in a new light. If you do decide to divorce bust maybe act nonchalant around him like you dont care what he is doing and you are concentrating on your own life. Act happy - fake it. Only talk about the kids. Let him stand back and say to himself whats going on with you?