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HP's hissy fits DIDN'T work. Like I said, they just kept making things worse... like I said, if you had carried it all the way through, I don't think you'd be where you are right now...

Well....you are viewing all that through your lens. I can't speak for HP, but I'm going to go off what my H has directly said to me, which is that it would not have changed the goal: to make the M a happy one for both of us. We have both f-ed up and we accept each other as flawed people. That is love in my book ....with the hot sex thrown in of course. ;\)
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Karen has said many times that if she were to initiate sex right now, she could get sex. But it would be because she's bringing out the 'mother,' or at the very least, that is what he'd hear... and the sex would be ... 'eh' for both of them.

I've done plenty of "eh" sex and I completely understand why Karen doesn't want to "just do it" anymore.
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Well... I think I am... but sex/love happens between a man and a woman, and what she and her H are doing with one another right now is anything but that. Her actions are somehow making him feel boyish or One Down...

I can agree here. He is not acting like a man. Probably lots of FOO stuff going on. It's tricky.
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Pretty much what you did was bring out the Man in your H because you finally came at him as a Woman, not as a girl...

Very true. I do see him as a man now, much more so than before. And I'm sure he views me as a very sexual Woman who he is very much in love with at the moment. Lucky us.
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