KS/wii,

I would say that I'm more frustrated than bitter. I, like you immediately went to work on fixing all the things that I learned were wrong during counseling, once she addressed them. You can't hit the target if you don't have "positive identification", She wanted fun times..Broadway shows, restaurants. The Mac’s words: "Do acts of kindness and good things will follow $185, please". I threw them all in there. All the stuff you sometimes forget about working two jobs and raising three kids. She was upset that I used to make her leave her job to get our kids when they were sick, and I wouldn't leave mine. Guilty as charged. The past two years, any time one of our kids was sick, I stayed home or left work. 100% of the time. To the point where my supervisor started giving me a hard time. I told her I had a lot to make up for and set out to do just that. Absolutely no response or recognition of change, just more nitpicking and anger. If you can follow my thread back a year, look at the petty bulll&it she threw out there. Maybe women (and MEN TOO!) DO harp on small stuff when they're unhappy with the relationship....or maybe they just HARP ON SMALL STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S WHO THEY ARE!!!!

I agree with wii, because I think we traveled similar paths. If you're not getting what you need, speak up. It's ridiculous to think we can read minds. Not that any of us were cruel to our wives from the start. KS made a point about telling her husband to not go out and stay out or talk to other women. That kind of way-over-the line stuff was never an issue. Sure, I would have heard that loud and clear. Got it. That's very tangible stuff, but the “you’re not a bad guy, you’re just not meeting my emotional needs" is a tougher issue to tackle. What are they? Should I experiment until I maybe find them....OR CAN YOU JUST TELL ME!

No, KS women are not the problem; it's just the frustrating behavior of the ONE'S WE'RE DEALING WITH that make this frustrating. OK...I'm done. I'm cynical by nature anyway.