Thanks Kissak, You have made me feel much better. I hear what you are saying about the bathroom floor thing. However, I do feel a bit stonger this time and a wee bit less emotional, but it still hits me hard and heavy. I think you are very wise this time to tell him that you don't want any contact, good job on that 180. It must scare you to death to have said it, but I think that you are making a stand and you know you are ready to do it just for your own sense of well-being, good for you!!! I felt the need this time to handle things a bit different also(I let him know I was letting him go, and last time I just validated everything he said), i hope our 180's both work for each of us. Allready, we have both noticed that they are not contacting us for much of anything. Maybe, just maybe they are thinking/pondering things over as they see our attitudes/actions change a bit. I guess we will have to wait and see. I was so happy to hear that you still would take him back if he changed, as I feel the same way (obviously, cuz i am still here on the boards). I was getting a little afraid that I was getting too hurt to really ever want him back, but there is something inside of me that still craves to be happy with him. I guess I (and you) probably have to block out what others say, as they could never understand with out having gone through it. Its just really hard cuz their is like 50 people that feel that strongly about it that they are even talking about it with out me in the conversation- and saying loudly enough though, so I can hear their conversations saying "I need to drop him and get mad finally". Where would that anger take me, I just dont think it would be a healthy way to deal with a Marriage. Or am I just a wimp?Thanks, Tipper