Hi Sara, havent been on these boards so much over the last few weeks, as i have been busy with work and sometimes I get a little depressed when i read aobut others' problems. W still wont give me an answer for the retro program at the end of january. She originally said that she thought it was too late, but never has said no. I dont want to force her for obvious reasons, but maybe i will tell her that i need to get this scheduled asap. I havent brought it up the last week or so b/c of the holidays. She has been off the last week, and frankly has been a bear most of the time. The only time she has been nice was on christmas eve and christmas morning. I got her a gift certificate to her favorite spa, and she didnt get me anything. Didnt even say thank you. The only thing she could say was that she now has a couple of gift certificates to the same spa and seemed kind of excited. I am thinking that was her way of saying thanks. BTW, I am the one that got her on to this spa when i got her a certificate for mothers day. She didnt use it until October, and now goes once a month. I believe that people from work and I know that her nephew got her gift certs for the spa. (Gee, maybe I did something right for her and she doesnt want to acknowledge it) I believe that she is so emotionally detached from me that nothing short of a major crisis will change her right now. I dont know if the R with the OM is in a problem stage right now, but over the last week or so, she has been miserable. I found her using D20 laptop in the evenings, and found that she has been trying to find OM's emails to others on classmates.com. Maybe she has questions about him that she is trying to find out if he is serious, etc. I also found info on OM's W's email address by her computer. Something may be happening in that R, and maybe she is realizing that he is using her. Cant speculate on that, but I am going to ask her one more time this week, to go to retro. After reading all the stories, i know that this is the only thing that is going to help. Have to hope to go to this one in january, as the next one locally is not until October. Take care and i will talk to you again.