Hi Tostada,

If I may chip in with a comment.

After months of listening to my W telling me it was all over, I did the mother of all 180's and told her I was done with the M, I told her we could piece together a new R, but as far as I was concerned this M was done. I remember hearing the words come out of my mouth and a then little voice in my head saying "are you mad, WTF you telling her that for". It was tough for me to do but since then I've seen the biggest positive change in W's attitude towards me.

So in your case your W still sees you don't get it, so you need to make a bigger effort to show her you do, I'm sure you'll find a way, you'll have to if you want to move forward.

Take care


Me:50
W: 49
T:20yrs
M: 14 yrs
D:11
2005 PA
2006: EA (2003 : 2007)
2007: April ILYBNILWY Aug PA, Sept Separate
2008: Feb Piecing
2009 Limbo
2011: Separated (same house)
2013: Divorcing