Whew, three days separated at this time of year! How the heck did you guys come up with this as THE time for separation? It's gotta be heartwrenching for all involved, especially the kids. So you seek advice, here's mine: Firstly, follow what my previous posters have told you. I know it seems impossible to back off but you must! I have been separated for two months now and I backed off big time, I was pleasant and co-operative around the kids, the lawyers etc but I did not call to check on her, I did not offer unwanted advice on how to run her home, I did not call to chat, I did not initiate any kinds of times together. In two months we came together as a family twice, at her request. Now it's Christmas and she has issued me so many invitations it's making my head spin. She says "I want us to stay family", OK I declined dinner at her place tonight saying "I'm sorry I've made other plans" but I did say I'd drop by to bring in the New Year with her and the kids. Last night we went with my parents downtown to look at the Christmas lights and have dinner together, again at W's invitation. So, does this mean anything in my sitch? Maybe or maybe not, but I have left things to W and she obviously feels she's been given enough space. I don't dare claim this to be the beginning of a big turnaround in my sitch but it is something, so wait yours out here, take care of you and your kids that's the way to go right now. I know us guys always want to "do something" to make things happen but sometimes doing nothing is the doing something that needs to be done, if that makes any sense! Happy New Year, newbie!