that's the thing: we, as well as my friends, are all being taken for granted, and they are lucky they have us because we care and are responsible husbands! i am not saying that we are perfect--far from that, but there are far worse out there, and sometimes i think that a dose of reality would wake them up! they have also lost their way with us. do i want to live in a fantasy world? sure, but i know that it's not possible, but i would settle for something close to it--a quarter of it would be fine! that's the thing: everything is good in our marriage; it's the lack of sex that consumes everything.

the golfing advice is a good idea.

i also am talking to my friend about going on long rides to nowhere (he has a new suzuki bike, and i have a 1983 280zx) just to get away from them and show them that we don't need to be tied to them 24/7. he is having the same issues as us, yet a bit worse, because they seem to argue about everything. that's the thing with my wife and i: we get along fine; it's just the lack of sex that is distancing me from her. why should i do things with her if i am not going to get anything in return? i am not saying sex 24/7, just a little initiative on her part, some evidence that she still has a libido and it's for me rather for me to always be the one on the initiative--and i have tried everything to not initiate, to wait for her, to show her that i wasn't interested, and she basically knew what i was doing and it backfired in my face!