Palgal, Thanks for responding, I can't thank you enough. I agree with your comment that I repeatedly keep letting him walk all over me, Cheesless tunnel. I just feel like I have learned from DBing to be friendly to him even when he treats me bad & repeatedly leaves. So now do i start to go dark/last resort technique, or something else? He says he wants to be friends, I don't talk/call him unless he calls me. Should i not answer calls or just respond way after the fact? I do believe that I have learned so much from this last experience of his return, and if he ever wants to work things out again, I do believe that i would be able to handle it differently. I have made a list of expectations (not demands) that I would need to see him/us attempt before we fully commit. I just don't feel like he is ever going to wake up from this whole mess. I am really trying to figure out right now if he has slipped back into replay or if he is just really needing some time to get through the stages of depression/withdrawl. he seemes to be very depressed right now and he says he just wants to focus on his new auto shop. I appreciate any advice or thoughts on this. thanks, Tipper.