don't know if this will be any help to you, the first xmas my ex was away I told him he had to make the effort to see his only son on christmas morning as he was only 10 at the time, I do read your children are grown up and I think they will enjoy christmas as they wish, my ex managed to drag himself away from the then ow for a whole 30 mins to see his son. Last year he managed an hour, but bearing in mind he hadn't spoke or seen son for over three months, this year we don't expect to hear from him at all, he married ow and he hasn't seen or spoke to son since end of march this year so doubt very much whether he will be in contact with him just for the sake of 3o mins. they have done what they have done and I don't think that if I had walked away and didn't contact my child that I could walk in and play happy families and in the back of my mind know that in an hour or so I will be back with my new love of my life, the one I chose over my child. I think you should just go ahead and enjoy yourself and do what you wish, I definately wouldn't do anything that included ex, after 2 years of allowing him to come spend christmas morning with his son I can honestly say it wasn't worth the bother of putting ourselves out. Last year there was a great thread that came up telling us all to be aware of how the mlc'ers can pretend to be nice and caring about this time of year and then it is straight back into the mlc and forget about their old lives and kids. sorry for babbling but what I meant to say is do what suits you best.