LooseThread
Trust has to be earned and usually it's earned starting at a distance.

Someone who has controling tendenacys generally does not change their ways until a real tramatic situation which they have not control over occurs. Splitting up with you and attempting to sooth his pain with another woman reguardless of the fact he slept with her or not does not sound tramatic to me.

Being a control addict I can tell you getting someone to tell you it's not your fault is not the solution but only aggreviates the problem. You cannot fix it you can only protect yourself and D.

Kickboxing is good. Steetfighting is great using whatever you can to defend yourself.

* I cannot offer new advice others here are much better at that but I can give you insite of a contoller's mind. We are not all the same but have similarities.

* We are very insecure. Deep down we know it and we envy people with confidence.
* Many of us get into bodybuilding or manly activities to bolster our ego. To get confidence we may have a clue but are unwilling or unable to do the tasks unnessary.
* When things do not go ourway we get angry. 'How dare them get into the way of my glory!'
* As everyone we a dark side. Some achillies heel that manafests itself in a destructive behavior (example excessive Gambling). We go to great lengths to hide, deny, and distract others from that behavior.
* The greatest irony is despite that effort everyone knows the specific achillies heel. (Sex, Gambling, strange behavior, whatever)
* We'd rather win an argument than solve a problem.

Trust me. No one is immune though throughout the ages more men than women are reported with this affliction. It may be born from a legit need. 'I'm little, weak willed, 8 years old, and darn tired of being picked on by bullies'. However it manifests itself fed by selfishness and the desire to be admired and to be better than anyone else.

Thus we want the trophy wife, perfect family, but don't but the effort into nurturing them so they can grow. When they go their own way we get mad since that destroys the facade of the better man we want the world to see us.

Usually these guys go through multiple marriages always blaming the other and looking for that perfect match. For me it was a Dear John letter while in Iraq and a total loss of controlling my own actions (eat, location, who to associate with). There was no woman to run crying to ('She done me wrong') just Marines who would tell me to Shut the FU(# up. So I wisely did not do that.

After tons of research and lots of dredging up old memories I realized no matter how tramatic to me was the Dear John letter and getting dumped and shot at the same day It was nothing compared to what my Controlling personality did to other people who were blameless. That made me feel one thing for months and months.

Worthless. And it took time.

The control monster still rears his ugly head and I either retreat or lop it's head off. I live now two steps above a hobo and give the money either to my D in college savings or others.

You keep doing what you are doing. Yes if what you say is true your X sounds he wants multiple benifits. All you will do if feed the control monster and be consumed buy it.

My X and I do not get along. However she was able to express situations in suprising clarity.

1. Controlling personalitys eventually crush the people they are with. They make good leaders in a crisis but crisises do not last long and people who manage and listen do well when the waters are calm.

2. Most women will return to a man who cheats long before they return to a control freak. We do not understand that since many of us do not drink, do drugs, cheat. Guys who cheat but are not control freaks are considered 'bad boys' and make the effort to include you in their thrill rides. Many 'nice guys' are control freaks whom women neither get the excitement or keep their on sense of well being. That is why 'nice guys finish last'.

2a. We think being a hero (firefighter, cop, military guy) will attract a woman cause we do really tough things. However our female partner cannot share the experience (go into the burning building, fight a battle, arrest a bad guy). A bad boy puts you on his Harley and off you go to go swimming naked. You get to have fun to. He will tell you the story up front and if you don't wanna play no worries there are plenty of babes down the road who do. Most nice guy/control freaks have not discovered this and Opra and Dr Phil ain't gonna tell you.

3. Controlling personalities absolutely hate to have someone think bad about them. As in the old Jack Nicholson movie "You can't handle the truth". (Not a typical Marine Officer By the way) They cannot handle the truth they are a dirtball. It destroys their image of themselves and reminds them to become a decent person takes a ton of self sacrifice not just the appearance of self sacrifice.

4. Everything and I mean Everything they do is for advancing themselves. Conversations like 'How are you doing' are not just exchanging plesantries but information gathering exercises.

When faced with this I could argue cause that is what I did however what really sucked was 'It was the truth' and in the end I had to accept it and do 180s not to save my marriage which failed but change the mentally miserable existance of trying to be something at the expense of others.

The sad thing is in the end they are gaining nothing. All that self satification is eventually tempered by the knowledge they are a dirtball and cannot come to grips with that fact.

The Bible says we are all dirtbags and scumballs and when you come to that conclusion you can build a real life where people long term are actually blessed by your presence. Which leads me to one final rambling conclusion

1. I an no better than anyone and
2. No one is better than me reguardless if they are a hobo or president.


"All I want is a weeks pay for a day's work"
Steve Martin