Input, WH and I own business together

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[quote=micoms]Grid,

I don't think asking H to have dinner while in town is pursuing too much, if you were in his area would you appreciate an invite for dinner rather than eating alone?

Spoke with H late afternoon and ask if he would like to meet for dinner, silence. I then told him I had put my weapons so he did not have to continue with his nukes on high alert. More silence and then he said well if you want to drive out and meet me for dinner yea, he would have dinner. So....We had Dinner Together ! Went fairly well, few dead moments but all and all ok. We even went back to our old time of sharing a dessert. H loves dessert and I only want a bite or two. So one dish, two spoons later we shared strawberry short cake. lol had to fight for my three bites.
After dinner, I learned he planned to sleep on the street/road in his car. Told him I was sorry he felt so uncomfortable he would rather sleep in the street. But I also said could not control the way he felt or what he did. Then proceeded to tell him that i still loved him ( I know was not to use the L word) and wanted him to be happy. So if he wanted to go, then go, he is free I would not hold him back, if being with OW is what makes him happy then go , that is what I wanted for him. He is free and I just want him to be happy. (hope I didn't make a big goof up by saying these things to H, no I was not talking D and H knew this to) H was shocked and looked very sad. I never see in his eyes, love or happyness when OW is mentioned. Am starting to believe he really doesn't want to be in a life time committment with her. something is missing in his eyes when ever any mention of her. You can't hide deep feelings they just show in your eyes and they are not there in his. Guess I am still as confused as before. lol
Again H had a few goodies to give me. We use to have an antique business together and often in the course of finding antique inventory you come upon great used stuff in excellent condition for pennies on the dollar. H found a boldt of cloth for a victorian chair I have plus a book on CD. the author is Obommua (sp) presd. candidate. Should be wonderful to listen to.
Also I collect old bricks and H found two 1800s bricks while out in the field on a client's project. He brought those a long to.
I tried to stay positive and focus on future plans. Fell backwords a couple times but all in all did ok.

Sorry no family left, must be hard, no built in support group. Any good friends? Strange how hindsight is always 20/20. I look back and can see things I should have done differently also.

Thank you, Mike for your kind words. Yes it is a bit of a shock one day when you realize all of your family has moved on to the after life, no I am not an elderly person yet! ROFL.
yes, I have several close friends. In fact few months back after autioning off contents and selling my parents' house (by myself). Shocked when a few days later, friends many old & not so old friends called and ask me if I was ok. Inquired as Worried about the shock of having had to sell everything by myself, etc. Friends from elementary school days, college, living here and else where in US., etc. I was really touched by their concern and kindness. Never realized until that very painful time just how many wonderful kind friends I have. So you see I am a very lucky soul for I have good solid friends.

Dear the 20/20 hindsight, is it a curse or a blessing?? Sort speculate more curse than blessing What do you think? Look back and think How could I have been so blind, so selfish?? So cold hearted? then what good does it really do to look back and pass judgement on yourself? All one can do is from this day forward try to do what you feel in your heart is the right thing to do! What are your thoughts on the 20/20 hindsight?

went to referee recertification clinic last night. A few guys I reffed with were suprised to see me, and looking so good. Someone had heard i was rehabing at Drake Hosp(hosp for severe brain injury, terminal illnesses and intensive physical rehab). If W comes back I'll give up reffing to spend more time with her.

GOOD FOR YOU ! Wonderful! Follow your passion and it will never steer you wrong. Why would you stop if W comes back? Problem in the past? Were you aware of this problem? Compromise?
Correct me if I am wrong, seems as if everyone was in agreement W's job conflicted with everything. Why did W continue if this is so? what type of work was she doing? Job to me appears to be the 800 lb gorrila in the room, am I correct or way off base?
Don't get me wrong, H and I have our own dozen 800 lb gorrilas running around in the room.

MLC has a lot of people quit after they start posting. That it is kind of a tight group. Keep posting someone will take you under their wing. He said he'd look for my post. Still got to do it.

I'll remember this and keep posting on MLC. No one responds, well we certainly can't grow very well can we? GRRRRRR. BTW, where is the link to your original stitch post?

back to work 2 weeks early. Can't wait, although my route is gone. Supt told me they are going to try something new that co does in Europe. I'll be troubleshooter, I'll take others repeat calls and fix

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Mike, Good for you and go get em !!!! This could really put a feather in your cap as my grandma-ma use to say! Touching in with world market activity is a solid step into the future and sounds like a nice change with a challenge. Hate change for the sake of a change! Are you excited about this new direction for your return to work assignment? now your Dr. is going to put down as your return to work date no sooner than 1/03/08??? that way you can swing into the new year and have an extra day for R & R from the party. lol .......bit ofIrish in me.
lol, actual after my neck surgery, called the surgeon back and ask if he would move my RTW, date up about 3 wks so I could go to the bernsese mountain dog national show in Gettysburg for a week. Dr. laugh and said let me pull your chart, then called me back and said to me, I agree you will need more Recovery time, what date do you want me to amend to???? Sweet !!! And I still had my vacation time when I got back to work!!!!! How do they say it, no pain , no gain!

I feel lucky to have the kids we have, they have turned out to be great young, responsible adults. I have gotten closer to all of them in the last 6mos.

Mike, do yourself a favor, go to the mirror, look at yourself, what do you have????, a wonderful family, great adult kids, wonderful GKs, good job, Health, and W still friends with and she is mother to your kids...=====equals===== Mike, a very wealthy man !

Well consider me a friend, if you need someone to vent to i'll listen.

Thank You Mike.....we will have to raise a glass of wine together this holiday, by computer lines. what type wine you like? I go for dry whites, being as I am in finger lake wine country, sorta like those bitie NYS wines. Ever have NYS wines before? Several good wineries here, several terrible ones too. lol
Ok, rattled enough for the night, thanks for listening. Sorry so long.
later,
grid, lost

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Grid,

Great that you had dinner with H. Other than the few awkward silences how did it go? Did you offer that he could stay at your house while in town?

Try not to expect too much from the look in his eyes, it could be from guilt from what he's put you through, although I hope I'm wrong. I'm glad you accepted his gifts, shows he thinks of you at times you're not there.

Hindsight is both a curse and a blessing. It's a blessing when you realize early enough to make a change before it's too late, a curse when the dust settles and then you see clearly things you could have done differently. In my case I had both. I saw our R starting to go back where it was and started going shopping with W, holding her hand, helping with dinner. What I saw too late was things I could done because of her sleeping, could have installed a TV in the bedroom, when she got tired we could have gone to BR her to sleep me to watch TV and lay with her. She was usually asleep by 7 to 8 PM after sleeping after she got home from work At 2PM until dinner time.

One of the things I told her was I would quit reffing if she came back. Told her I would want her to get a Mon thru Fri job, normal hours, one weekend we'd go somewhere, another city, bed and breakfast to veg out and spend the weekend together, so I'd give it up. I don't want anything to get between us. I think she has some resentment about soccer things because I used to coach 2 kids teams and ref with S's, spent a lot of time away from her.

yes W's job has been problem. She works in a deli for wmart. She starts at 4AM, get up at 3Am to get ready for work. No weekends off so we can't do anything on weekends thats fun, go to S's house for bonfire, go to friends house, go out dancing or just go to visit some place out of town. When D19 was 15 she was in modeling we had to take her to Cleveland, OH for classes and photo shoots every other weekend. She never went because she had to work.

As far as the change in my job goes, I'd rather have my outroute, took care of elevators and escalators on western side of Cincinnati. All by myself all day. Now they want me to have a downtown route and be the troublshooter to fix what others have problems with. We have guys getting extra pay, but not me. Supt said we got C who's good on new S equip, J who's good on old W equip, S who's good on O equip and you who's good on everything else. Guess who the only one not getting anything extra?

I don't know about still friends with W. sometimes she treats me like she hates my guts. I only see small glimpses of her caring at all. She wants the D as fast as she can get it. Told a friend she's upset because I don't want a D. I think our problems revolve around her job and both of us not communicating how we feel about things, holding stuff in and withdrawing. If gien the chance I see where we can make our M better than it has ever been, but she doesn't want to try. I guess I'll have to go along with D and keep DBing.

I like most wines but I like he reds more. We found a white merlot that was pretty good.

Mike

[grid, lost]

[quote=micoms]Grid,

Great that you had dinner with H. Other than the few awkward silences how did it go? Did you offer that he could stay at your house while in town?

Dinner went very well and we both really enjoyed. Again when we ordered we orderd exactly same order except H has different toss salad dresing!!!! We always are doing that, errie.
Nope didn't really offer that evening to let him stay or ask him to stay @ house. H has made it clear he doesn't want to. So if he so wishes to cut his nose off despite his face so be it.
Now on Weds I had to go see a C, sent by no-fault med. insurance carrier. Why I don't know. H went with me as wittness. C even got into break up of marriage (why ) I turned to H and said guess you have to answer this one as you have never answered for me and you left !!! He didn't answer, just stepped around. But in proccess C and I talked about how i was handling break up, how I felt, reading, eye opener info., lack of education on relationship skills, etc. I mentioned Michele Davis and he was impressed and knew of her work, etc. Even gave me title of another book to read when one spouse doen't wish to work on R, how the other spouse can change non working spouse and R. ROFl, with H sitting there. After we left H said, "you know I believe the C was very impressed with you."
C stated to me he saw not reason to question why I am on all the pain meds, etc. WHEW!

Hindsight is both a curse and a blessing.

yep, sure is. Something strange about W's job stitch. Maybe it is only a symptom not the problem. Ever look at it that way?

Told her I would want her to get a Mon thru Fri job, normal hours, one weekend we'd go somewhere, another city, bed and breakfast to veg out and spend the weekend together, so I'd give it up.

Careful mike, "you want her to change jobs"? From her point of view at the moment this is not about what you want and she will just take your wants as controlling her, telling her how to live her life. Easy words, appreciate changing jobs, would she consider change,might she feel happier and less stressed with different work hoursetc.

I think she has some resentment about soccer things because I used to coach 2 kids teams and ref with S's, spent a lot of time away from her.

LOL, I am sure she does, remember what Michele says about time together. Hell, H announced he didn't like dog showing, after he is taking lessons, going to seminars, etc. Plus I averaged 1 show weekend a month, didn't think that was asking to much, do you? Granted a couple months I had two show weekends in one month but only two maybe three months this happen.

Wow, I couldn't stand to work your wife's schedule and I know my H wouldn't be able to stand it. Even state police with constant rolling schedules don't work hours like W is. That is crazy!!

I don't know about stil

Guess who the only one not getting anything extra?

Why is this? You don't get any up grade if everyone else does??? What is going on?

sometimes she treats me like she hates my guts. I only see small glimpses of her caring at all.

Don't take to personal H acts this way too. So isn't just W. Hard for W too. We have to remember this our S's aren't in all happy happy land. BTW, has court recieved your papers for C request? Or is that way in future? Have you started to find a solution base C? If haven't get going as once back to work...well you know how it is. We get tyied up in stuff and never have time or energy to make calls. Try to use your down time to your advantage.

I guess I'll have to go along with D and keep DBing

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Mike! No you do not have to go along with D ! Maybe you can't stop it but you don't have to go along with it. Say is your attorney anti-divorce and working hard for you? BTW, here is another way to move D up further (longer) date wise. Anounce you have changed attorny's and need additional time for attorney to review case! HA !

I like most wines

Good wouldn't have much trouble finding a wine to for holiday sipping! I like reds best with pasta. All wines, like Dry can not stand sweet wines. Ever have a dessert wine? Whew, has to be 20% sugar. lol
later,
grid

[grid, lost]

Mike,
OOPs, nearly forgot to post. Today Thursd. H is back down south. We talked for some time on telly. I was bad, we discussed stuff I am not suppose to bring up. H mention I've changed and we seem to be getting along so much better. Still maintains plans to stay with OW. I've been DBing for about 6 weeks.
H ask me about Michele's book and said he wanted to read it !!!!!! This has to be a good sign right??????
We talked (mostly I talked, shouldn't have)about how divorce is not going to solve problems and in the end just (most of time) just as unhappy as before D. Both will have loss so much and each party will drop econmically.
H also ask what other books I had read !!!
Believe sitting in C office and hearing C & I talk back n forth about marriage, planted a seed.! Could that be? In a week or 10 days Should I ask H if he has the book and is reading it? Should I ask if we could talk about the book and ref. back to it together?
Thoughts thoughts??????
I am to hopefully I know . Going to read to much into this and get hurt.

Oh ya nearly forgot. As we got talking more I injected wanted H to understand I do not and am not planning to be OW to OW in my marriage. Maybe I shouldn't have said this?????? thoughts?
Mike my fish keep dying!!! lol no they do not look sick. I am going to go to fish store and buy the chemical test kit to test for 3 or 4 different chemical levels. What do you think? this city water is really strange and I have never lost so many fish in all of my life as I do living here!
BTW noticed a couple black angels in store. 15% gray in them and short vails!
grid, lost

[micoms]

Grid,

Glad dinner with H went well. Were you shocked H went to C with you? I think you put him on the spot when you said he'd have to answer because you never got an answer when he left.

W only makes $10/hr, can find jobs for those wages anywhere, especially with better hours. She has had better paying jobs in the past, 13to14/hr. With what I make she doesn't really need to work, but works because she wants to.

Not every one gets extra pay, only 3 out of 21 guys in our office. I am considered the regional expert on some equipment and local expert on several foreign manufacturers equipment. I'm the only one in our office who has been offered a field engineers position. I was also asked to teach national classes on a certain type of controller. If we have a problem with any foreign (not made by my co.) I'm called in to work on it. I even went to LA on vaca with W several years ago and ran into some guys who work for another co. They ate lunch at our hotel, introduced myself to them. They were having problems with a unit for several weeks and asked if I knew anything about it. Told them there's three fixes the first two are cheap and probably won't fix it the third will. They came around until they found me again and called their boss who offered me a job.

As far as your fish go, how long has your tank been set up? Tap water has chlorine in it and will kill fish, I always let a new tank run a week before introducing fish so Chlorine will dissipate. How many fish did you add to the tank to start, how big is tank? You have to add fish a couple at a time. Starting with too many fish is a problem. Fish waste contains ammonia which is poisonous, it breaks down into nitrites which is still poisonous, it then breaks down into nitrates which isn't. It takes time to get the ammonia cycle started. Too many fish causes ammonia to rise too fast and kills fish before it can turn into nitrates. Also need to change 1/4 water once a month. There are products that can speed up the process but taking your time works just as well and is cheaper. Also what kind of filtration are you using?

As far as H reading Dr, I'd love my W to read the first chapter, maybe more after she's committed to work on M. I think reading the book themselves they might think it's a trick to bring them back. I do think it's a good sign he wants to read the R books you have read, he must have seen some good changes in you and wonders what caused them, and if they might help him.

Don't think I'd have said don't want to be OW to the OW. Him being friends and giving you gifts is something he wants to do to stay connected to you. He might think you don't want that connection. If his R with OW goes south and he feels still connected to you he might come around more. Don't think of being OW, but the woman OW stepped between her and her H. Those people who step in between a H and W surely have no moral values. Did you start R talks, if not did you listen and validate what he was saying? I wouldn't ask anything if he is reading Dr. If he is he will probably bring it up.

I agree don't look too much into this, but it could be a good thing him wanting to read books on R's. I'd love my W to read the first chapter of DR, also other books to see what we are going thru isn't terminal. We just grew apart from ignoring each other and lack of communication to stop it, we both withdrew rather than talk about it.

Mike

[grid, lost]

[quote=micoms]Grid,

Were you shocked H went to C with you? I think you put him on the spot when you said he'd have to answer because you never got an answer when he left.

No I was not surprised when he went. Remember the C was for insurance company about my pain mgt. H went as a witness and he was very comfortable doing that. But was funny when i turned to H and said you should answer this question. That he was surprised at. lol the truth!

only makes $10/hr, can find jobs for those wages anywhere, especially with better hours. She has had better paying jobs in the past, 13to14/hr. With what I make she doesn't really need to work, but works because she wants to.

Something going on here that isn't being said or at least appears that way to me. Very strange, very. How long has W worked at this job? What other types of jobs has she held? What are her passions and any employment possiblities there?

I was also asked to teach national classes on a certain type of controller. If we have a problem with any foreign (not made by my co.) I'm called in to work on it.

WOW, you must really know your stuff and be sharp at it! Where are those job offers when we really want them? lol

As far as your fish go, how long has your tank been set up?

I've had the tank up for a couple years now. changing water on more regular basis. Population is down and my pump is whisper on outside of tank. Have a feeling ph and ammonia build up. That is why I am going to purch. test kit.
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. I do think it's a good sign he wants to read the R books you have read, he must have seen some good changes in you and wonders what caused them, and if they might help him.

Yea and H brought it up himself! More than anything I would like to open his eyes to everything. as you say not a hopeless situation and I'd like him to understand just how much pain he caused. Yep, again you correct should have kept my mouth shut about OW, grrr, hate that about myself. Oh well we all fall backwards sometimes. I am now sure your correct H is giving me the gifts to stay connected. Just have a feeling OW R is not going as well as it once was. Could be wrong on that one to
hey Mike you know how guys have locker room talks, etc. Well woman do to and I can not post what we say about OW coming between marriages! Correct have no morals, zero.
Don't think I'd have said don't want to be OW to the OW.

Did you start R talks, if not did you listen and validate what he was saying? I wouldn't ask anything if he is reading Dr. If he is he will probably bring it up.

Yep, H started R conversation stayed. Nothing to deep but still a few words about us. Yes, I am validating his feelings and leave me out. Regardless if I agree or not. Just keeping my fingers crossed. Ok, thanks I will not ask about DR book unless H brings it up. Going to be sitting on pins and needles though. lol Getting better at listening to him and trying to understand his feelings. Who knows maybe something will happen.
Wonder why WAS will not even read a page on relationship rebuilding. That one leaves me mystified! Michele's first chapter is a real fish hook. lol you have to read more after chp. 1.
Wish there were something I could say that would help Mike. Gee sounds like your W doesn't even want to give you time of day. But then you must remember she has shut everyone else out. Not all you.

I am going to sign off early tonight, tired. I have a bitch (female dog) in season and a neutered male chasing her all through the house. then she turns around a chases him through the house. lot of panting going on. ROFL Actually they are driving me crazy!
Say, just a thought, read this once on the internet as part of LRT. why don't you try sending your wife a note and inside all it says is, "missing you" "We could still work things out".
Then just sign your intials. My H liked the card. Warmed him up a bit. I sent one once a month for 2 or 3 months. Give it some thought.
later,
grid, lost

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Grid,

W was offered a job by friend as receptionist for $12/hr to start, parking paid in the building where job was(downtown), $1 more after 6mos. She has said she wants an office job but she's afraid her butt will get fat, LOL. Told her that we both have the same problem, more diligence that when we put 5lbs on lose it. I seem to put weight on at T-day, Christmas and vacas. If I went on diet for 2 weeks lose the 5, instead it builds up over the years until it's 40 to 50lbs to loose.

Her problem with job hunting is she wants to answer ads in the paper, I tell her most office jobs are gotten thru temp services, if the office likes you they offer you a job, if not they send you back. She had a job at a mail sorting place operating a machine that paid her $14/hr, she quit four years ago and took a job at another mail place as a secretary for her former boss, paid $14.50/hr. If she kept these jobs she might be making 15 or 16 now. When she was home I offered to work more OT so she could go to school for something, she didn't want to. I think she thinks she isn't smart enough to do well. She is a lot smarter than she gives herself credit for.

As far as you tank is concerned I would buy a test for nitrites also. What type of fish do you keep in the tank together? Some do not get along with others, they will fight causing damaged fins and bodies, leaving wounds that infections can set in. Any white spots that look like salt on bodies? Also angel fish are a brackish water fish, they like some salt in the water also like soft water. Soft water is imperative to produce spawns.

Talked to S26 tonight for about 3 hours, W still hasn't called him in over two months. He says if he doesn't hear from her he will not spend Christmas Eve with her and her family. Again told him she is having a MLC even if she denies. One aspect of MLC is withdrawing from friends and family. Don't take it as personal. He is I think getting very bitter, don't want him to be. He said he's very upset with her about her wanting to get a D. Doesn't know if she does if he'll forgive her, doesn't think our problems are that bad. Even though he's an adult he is very hurt. If only she knew this.

Just remember he might get closer then pull away, is seems to be the way it works . Don't get discouraged if he does. I've been reading posts in MLC forum, there's others sitch's that have taken 2 years or more for S to want to work on R. I might try to post there, seems where my R with W is at.


Mike

[grid, lost]

[quote=micoms]Grid,

W was offered a job by friend as receptionist for $12/hr to start, parking paid in the building where job was(downtown), $1 more after 6mos. She has said she wants an office job but she's afraid her butt will get fat, LOL.

Gee Mike your wife really does seem to be in MLC and doesn't knows what she wants. H said he wish he could leave society. LOL, I said well why don't you get a job with oil rig company or logging co. they usually pay quite well cause most people don't want to be so far from society. ROFL, H says to me, Are You Crazy, I can't just do that, not right or normal. hmmmmm change of heart coming H???

How about your W networking (about possible jobs) with her friends, anyone she see /meets @ a place she might like to work for. Usually others hear of an employer looking for someone before temp. service. Anyway that is how I always found jobs. Just ask people, go talk to anyone who might be able to hire and if they didn't have a job ask if they know someone who might like her resume. Folks usually will give you names to contact. But then I live in a small city area. Lots of people know each other.


As far as you tank is concerned I would buy a test for nitrites also. What type of fish do you keep in the tank together? Some do not get along with others, they will fight causing damaged fins and bodies, leaving wounds that infections can set in. Any white spots that look like salt on bodies? Also angel fish are a brackish water fish, they like some salt in the water also like soft water. Soft water is imperative to produce spawns.

Talked to S26 tonight for about 3 hours, W still hasn't called him in over two months. He says if he doesn't hear from her he will not spend Christmas Eve with her and her family.

Wow, I feel bad for your son. Why is his mother doing this to him???? Divorce hurts more than just the left behind spouse ! Your son is living proof. Just terrible what this is doing to him.

I've been reading posts in MLC forum, there's others sitch's that have taken 2 years or more for S to want to work on R. I might try to post there, seems where my R with W is at.

I try to remember H will come forward and then back. I now realize I am a very impatient person, sadly. Highly competive as well. Once I put my sites on something nothing can stop me. Have to learn not to treat H this way! Shame on me.
Yes,I have been over to MLC put no one ever posts back. How about yourself? As far as 2 yrs, seems like eternity, but then my H has now been gone over a year.

Oh, the fishie Tank, ROFL, yep have to get a test kit and go to work. Another dead fish this AM ! NO one looks like Ick or injurred, has to be the water chemistry. You know what is funny . When I use to live in PA in very rurual area I never had such problems with my tank, never. I never tended to the tank as I do now. As far as fish, have very docile in tank.
I'll keep you posted on tank, so frustrating.
Boy I certainly feel for your son. Does W ignore the other kids too? Do you think she is mad at son because he is close to you and supports you?
MLC is so disgusting and hurtful. Do believe H might just be starting to let himself look at the hurt and damage he has done.,,,maybe. few short comments he has made.
I had hoped he would be hoome by Dec. 15th, today but guess that was to big a step to take or hope for.
Have to go. Been on these boards all afternoon. Need to work on Christmas cards and take a dog for walk. BRRRR only 20 here today. Take that back, temp down to 16.
cheers,
grid, lost

[micoms]

Grid

Been gone to company Christmas party. big old Mike almost broke down a couple of times. Seems they had a safety meeting and took up a collection for me. Among 15 guys the got over $500 for me and a card. I tried to get around to all of the guys to thank the but didn't make it. Party was at Dave and Busters, a restaurant and game rooms. families were invited so most everyone were chasing after kids. The guys I did thank, my I choked up on my voice and had tears I my eyes. When I first got the card and opened it up I had to walk away, tears were flowing. Regional manager saw me walking away wiping my eyes, asked if I was ok, told her I couldn't talk right now but was OK.

Sounds like your H might be drifting back, just make sure you don't put any pressure on him. He has to come back in his own time. he is probably carrying the guilt for the A with him. He has to learn to forgive himself even if you have already forgiven him. He is going to come forward and retreat. Don't get discouraged when he withdraws.

Got to go , going over S26's house with S25.

Mike

[grid, lost]

[quote=micoms]Grid

Been gone to company Christmas party. big old Mike almost broke down a couple of times. Seems they had a safety meeting and took up a collection for me. Among 15 guys the got over $500 for me and a card. I tried to get around to all of the guys to thank the but didn't make it. Party was at Dave and Busters, a restaurant and game rooms. families were invited so most everyone were chasing after kids. The guys I did thank, my I choked up on my voice and had tears I my eyes. When I first got the card and opened it up I had to walk away, tears were flowing. Regional manager saw me walking away wiping my eyes, asked if I was ok, told her I couldn't talk right now but was OK.

AW, Mike that is so nice to read and hear of. everyone sure does love you don't they! That is so nice to hear. Really warms your heart. <<<<hug>>> I would have been in tears too. Wear your emotions on your shirt sleeve, do you. Little bit of Irish in that blood of yours? Really happy for you and I am sure your sons are as well. Which one of your son's is most like you???

Got to go , going over S26's house with S25.

Hope you have/had a great time. Holiday time is just for families to be together and enjoy each other. For a short time we can forget the rest of life and enjoy our loved ones.


In regards to H I shall heed your advice, you do seem to be a rather wise one. Try to let H set the trail and pace. Hard but I will try. Funny after all he has done and said to me I do miss him a lot. Miss H not people, just H.
Later, g
grid, lost