DaveJ, thanks, I have been bothered by what I think I need to do if she says no, to how and what will continue if she says no. Read alot of your sitch, especially the posts by DomR about not moving out of the house. I have no intentions of leaving, and at this point my W is the same. Your point about communication, interaction, and for the kids, is what I have talked to her about when I asked her. We never really fought for the 22 years that we have been M, other than a few little spats that I wouldnt really call fights. I have been giving her space and have basically become her friend as far as I am concerned. My kids are both in college, and already my S18 knows alot of the sitch, as I have been as truthful as possible when he asks questions. My W is in la la land, as she has said that she doesnt want to involve the kids. I dont care how old the kids are, they will be affected no matter what. I cant imagine being them, growing up with us for this long, and mom wants a D. My S knows what is in the D petition, and he just says that mom is lying. What a shame. If the D goes through, she will destroy whatever R she has with her kids. She has some serious MLC, with empty nest and depression thrown in.