Dave, I don't know why they say these things? My W told me that the girls were upset cuz we weren't doing things as a family lately! Gee, I wonder why that might be? Could the A and separation have had any effect on that? W certainly doesn't invite me over for anything (except Xmas dinner, which I do appreciate) and I'm basically doing my dark routine, limited contact. W needs to know that I am just fine without her. When I bent over backwards trying to support her and care for her, I got that list FLTC referred to! So time to stop. I know it hurts to hear how we, as friggin adults, are making our kids pay through our idiocy. You just feel like screaming "grow up" at the S but you can't. Hang on guy, you aren't alone here, but it sure is one rough ride.