Cliffy - Do not move out until absolutley necessary. Much more effective to demonstrate change while you are living together. Wish I had found this site before I moved out of my house.

In any case, good luck.

My situation was a disaster 7 weeks ago. After DBing my butt off, my wife, daughter and I just spent a great Thanksgiving holiday together. W and I slept in the same bed and are talking next steps.

But... who knows. Next week she may tell me it's over.. again.