MTN - thanks for this post. As I posted on my thread, having grown up kids is good because they make up their own mind: and mine loathe the OW. These are not loathers by nature. My middle son normally finds it difficult to say anything harsh about anyone. Even Attila the Hun would have got a favourable mention for a different approach, or something. But recently he took the gloves of and went no holds barred for his father and what he had done.

the truly amazing thing is that [except for anyone used to MLCers]
1. My h turned it all into son's fault for not telling him earlier how he felt!!! [and precisely what difference would that have made??]
2. It then became my fault for not taking his leaving me 'well'. He still claims that I 'knew' the marriage was really over, but wouldn't admit it, and this made the boys think he had done a bad thing.

The fact that we were all in shock for months suggests otherwise to anything but the warped MC brain.

NOTHING is his responsibility. EVERYTHING is someone else's fault.