w8ing, lots of great things here. You are right. I dont want to take the road that my W is on. Was at church this morning and someone came up to me and gave me a hug and said that they heard we are getting a D. I told them that it was not my decision, and my W wants everyone to think that this was our decision together. This is what is so hard. My W is still at home, and she does the email and phone conversations with OM behind my back. At this point I wish she would just leave so I can feel comfortable in my own house again. I am going to approach her this week about the retrouvaille program coming up close to our area in January, and if she doesnt want to go, I will have to force her hand. I will tell her that we have to learn to communicate, regardless if we get D or stay together. I will also mention to her about what may happen when all this comes out in court, the kids will be devestated and her family will know that she played them for fools. Her L will not negotiate, and we will wind up in court for the D. My W is being discreet enough around the kids that they dont suspect her doing her thing with OM. Plus she goes to Mass almost every day, so everyone thinks she is a saint. Havnt read your sitch, is your H still at home? This is my biggest problem, b/c it is getting to the point that I cant stand the sight of my W anymore P.S. I know you asked where in PA that i lived, I will only say near Gettysburg. Talk to you soon. Take care.