You guys are probably right, as usual. It's a tough line between high road and weenie. cf: I'm looking for a 10 pound l;oss by Christmas. Hill: You're probaly running in sand every day trying to keep father time away like I am. Nothing to do but run, lift and dring whey protein drinks over here in my free time. At least I'll go home looking good! Matilda: Don't know if you're an exercise fanatic! BTW Matilda; where is your thread?