Cemar, I just want to add that sometimes the man is not healthy enough to receive the love, respect and desire from his spouse. The spouse may have done all she could do, but her H, for psychological reasons, finds ways to push her away. He wants to relegate her to some fixed, non-intimate role in his life, while he continues to get fixes from other sources. I am not saying this was my situation...I know that I missed the boat in the desire and respect dept for a time in my marriage, a bigger time than I care to admit...but I do see this kind of thing occurring in some situations on the board. The husband really doesn't want intimacy from his wife.