Thanks about the advice with the C for my DDs. One problem is I would like them to see mine, and H doesn't like her. I was thinking about looking for a teen group in the Cleveland area for DD15. Like you said, at least now you know how your S is feeling and so does your H. My H said the other day "I didn't think they would take it so hard." DUH Maybe he thougth he had driven them away. I wish he knew the questions they ask me when he isn't around.