I guess I am being a little impatient. Our interactions have indeed been positive. I know you will agree that the 'not knowing' is the toughest part. I have come this far and will not allow myself to sabotage it. Actually I am more confident than I have been in awhile. That concerns me as I like to be on an even keel so if I fall, it won't be 2 far down. The fact that she hasn't replied to the email nor called to have the "talk" gives me hope. You are dead on about maintaining the positive attitude around her or antone she associates with, I have been doing it and it has worked so far. Her family starts to loosen up when they see that I am not down and out (except for the bro-in-law and his (expletive) emails and I have even forgiven him for that transgression. I just have to concentrate on what has not happened (filing for D) and be thankful. FLTC, you reply is coming a little later, I have an apointment to keep. Thanks for y'all's input, it is appreciated.