still trying, now separating

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Mkultra do you think he would have went to Retro? If your spouse is willing to do something like go to Retro then I agree this is much better than separating. The problem is you need a willing partner that wants to work on the M. I know for me if my W ever get to a point where she may want to work on the M that I will be the first to suggest going to Retro.