I feel like I'm a few months behind you guys \:\) My W sounds very similar. Wants to believe things can be different but feels like trying again is just opening herself to more hurt. No idea how to get through to her.

Part of the reason I'm agreeing to a separation is that I feel like if I don't things are just going to go downhill and she'll get to that point where she's set on a D all the sooner. Unfortunately my W rejected retrouvaille, she's rather anti-religion and had tried it with her previous H and said it was too much religion for her.

I am hopeful since she's going to IC and so I am, and she has at least entertained the idea of MC in the future. I think I really screwed up though, she had suggested it before but I never scheduled because at the time it seemed like she had given up and wasn't willing to work on the M so I thought it would be pointless. Of course now she tells me that was just further proof that I didn't care. DOH.