Hi Sooner, I'm in the process of writing an entry for my thread so I wasn't planning on posting anything yet, but I felt that I wanted to let you know that you aren't alone, and maybe even make you feel a little bit better. My wife and I have marital problems that I need to address on other forums and the title of my thread is probably going to be something like '4+ years and no end in sight' ! Yes, it's been over 4 years and there has been no intimacy of any kind. No touching, no holding hands, no kissing, and obviously no sex. In fact, the people standing next to me on New Years Eve received a hug and she turned away from me. I'm still hanging in there, most days by a very thin thread. More when I finish and post my opening thread. I just wanted you to know that you're not alone and my heart goes out to you. Peace my friend.