couldn't disagree more, dom.

what you're saying is that we should just accept whatever "crap sex" our spouses offer, and be happy with it.

the whole point is, we're not happy with that. I dare say that many, if not "most" of the people here have spouses who are "willing", if we push the issue. In fact, what you suggest does more harm than good. MWD even says in one of her books that you should never accept that kind of "mercy sex", because it is degrading and humiliating. It isn't about any particular act, or any particular frequency. The holy grail that most of us seek is true desire...we want a partner who genuinely and sincerely wants us; not one that merely tolerates us.